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I’ll start with things that I have fully accepted as what I’ve done wrong

1)   NM Bennu Item  AF3 +2 item. Infraction towards Carmisse. I offered THF assistance to Carmisse, Lonekent, Zumi and others with helping +2 drops. This was towards the end of the farming and I helped only with a single kill. I did not assist with farming items. I was unaware of the following  1) Carmisse was finishing her set  2) members that are coming towards the end to assist and have not helped farm should refrain from lotting items . Once I lotted Carmisse immediately zoned/logged off and I was told what I had done wrong. 

2)   NM Orthrus Item Atheling Mantle Infraction towards other LS members. Towards the end of a farming run with LS members we repeatedly killed the NM Orthrus for Othrus Claw. All additional items were categorized as FL. I won a lot for Tabby and I won a lot for Myric on separate kills. Carmisse pointed out that it was unfair for me to lot to get an item on two separate accounts before allowing all other LS members to get at least one mantle. Note: I say two separate accounts because the mantle can be sent within accounts allowing Greenwood and Tabby to share a single mantle, while not allowing a mantle to be sent back and forth from Myric.

3)   NM Itzpapalotl Item AF3 +2 Item Vision Stone. Infraction towards Carmissie and others? At the end of a abyssite/atma run with LS members we Killed Itzpapalotl and 3 Vision Stones dropped. I lotted on all three stones and passed all other items. Upon lotting these items I was being told by Izzy that I was lotting excessively and that I should not lot items for alternate characters and/or lot items for my alternate jobs. While trying to defend my actions I completed missed that Carmisse only needed 1 stone to complete her set of 6 stones. She stated this twice and I did not see it until after the alliance dispersed. My error was not seeing her message and not passing one of the stones to her.
If I got anything wrong please correct me. If I have missed anything in this talking points or there are additional points to add please do so (I’ve left of shadow harness because it does not pertain to this LS, but if anyone wishes to we can discuss how I messed up royally with that).

In regards to #1, I immediately apologized directly to Carmisse and the alliance included. There was no system of “locking items” that we used and it was not stated to me that the item was the last of a set. I was informed about this after.  In addition we also had not previously used a system of “only lot if you help farm NM items”. I was under the impression at the time that if I was in the party and helping the kill that I would be able to lot for available jobs, especially of my offer to come THF so that I could improve drop rates. At no time before or during the fight did I know or think I should be excluded from items.  After discussing in length with Lonekent and Zumi I am now in full understanding of what they would like when I offer to help a single kill. I was able also to speak with Carmisse to where I stated if she wanted me to pass on something she needs only to ask. I have done so on many kills before and after for her and others and I plan on doing so in the future.

In regards to #2, I lotted both for Greenwood/Tabby and Myric from the standpoint that we will be killing Orthrus more than a handful of times and the item in question has a 100% drop rate. I did not think there would be any harm in lotting and was not thinking of others first. I have since apologized and stated that going forward if I have one of an item (armor/weapon/etc.), either deliverable or non-deliverable, that I will confirm if others in the alliance have the item first before lotting a second time. Note: Atheling Mantle can and is used by all 3 of my characters (Myric NIN, Greenwood WAR and Tabby THF DRK)

In regards to #3, I’ve apologized to Carmisse although it seems that I offended Izzy. Upon being told of my excessive lots I was trying to get an understanding of what made them excessive rather than pay attention to passing the items. It was a heated discussion for me and I was being very shallow scoped at seeing other messages. I was first told I shouldn’t lot for alternate characters yet I do not play any characters as alternatives any more than others. I was also told I should not lot for jobs that are retired. I have no retired jobs. All jobs are 90 with exception to Ranger which is being leveled to 90 and is fully geared. Vision Stones are useful for Greenwood (WAR WHM BRD) and Tabby (THF RNG) which is why I lotted, considering the fact that eventually I’ll need 35 of them regardless which job I give it to first. I am not glazing over the fact that I unintentionally irreversibly made an error with seeing that Carmisse explicitly stated twice that she only needed a single stone to finish a set.  That is the only mistake I can see that I made.

I would have used my pop set to get Carmisse her item but due to the nature and tone of the discussion we were unable to do a second fight possible. I was first being scolded for lotting an item that some felt I wouldn’t use for a primary character following that I shouldn’t lot for retired jobs (although I have none).  I’ve noticed that this topic for some is annoying, tiresome, unneeded or otherwise pointless because we do not operate in the form of a HNMLS. However, should I announce a Primary, Secondary or Tertiary character or should I do the same for jobs? Are we giving some people priority over items? Are others lotting on items to build up their jobs that are used less often in Abyssea?

I’m prioritizing my characters and jobs equally. There are jobs that I use less frequently (DRK RNG RDM) but only because of lack of need in Abyssea.  This includes getting Abyssea clearance, Atma/Abyssite armor/weapons, and other missions/quests. However, I do not have identical jobs on multiple characters that I am lotting for.  An example of this is that Myric has a 64 WHM and Greenwood has a 90 WHM. After lotting items for GW’s WHM I’m not lotting items for Myric’s WHM unless everyone passes (balance stones, etc).  My jobs are splits between the following characters: --  Greenwood WHM BRD WAR  -- Tabby THF RNG RDM DRK -- Myric NIN. Is my lotting for these jobs any different than Areya lotting for PLD BLU BLM WHM SCH DRK SAM etc (because I can’t remember his jobs).

I am not a stranger to having people lot over me when I’ve needed a small number of something to finish a set. This includes Carmisse purposely lotting over me on Iga Seals: Feet from Pascerpot while I was 6/8. Honestly I found it funny that she beat my lot 6+ times. I don’t remember if she finished hers but I know I didn’t finish mine. I didn’t think it a major issue then but as mentioned by Izzy, apparently this is an issue now that people have been talking about for a while. 
I’m sorry for rehashing old conversations but it seems that if it isn’t fully discussed out I’m going to be lambasted for every FL I take.

I’d appreciate any feedback… preferably constructive.